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  • #4461
    Bugarshush
    Participant

    Hello,

    I’ve just signed up for the MPFPT subscription and am stoked at the wealth of information! But am also a little confused about how to put it all together. Specifically, I’d like to improve my speed and agility, but also work on my conditioning. Thus, I was thinking of combining a program like Agility.Zero or Agility.One with the 150 shuttle and 10 cut program. However, it’s unclear to me how to best do that, or if that’s even advisable?

    My pre-conditioning is pretty high, I’m familiar/comfortable with many of the movements in the programs, and I’d like to peak in late September for the club season.

    Thanks for any guidance, stoked to take my performance to the next level!

    #4462
    Zi
    Moderator

    Welcome Bugarshush!

    I’m sorry that the website isn’t quite straight-forward but we are working on improving the clarity of how the content fits with the system.

    In the meantime, here is a link to our framework. Think of it as a skeleton structure of how we approach performance training.
    MPFPT Framework Overview
    In here, Tim describes the four “portals”/aspects/buckets of performance. We have grouped programs according to these portals. We need to train all of them, but one or two buckets might need to be prioritized at different times of the year! I believe you have decided that S&A and the ESD portals are your priority right now, but you should still have an S&P and MQ component.

    Yes, you can do an S&A and ESD program staggered with each other in a given week, or at the same time in one session. What you need to do is look at your own schedule and work out how to execute these programs given your circumstances. Usually one would look at how far away from your season or competition. If you are finding that you can’t fit these programs in a reasonable manner, shed some light on your weekly lifestyle schedule up until the event and we can discuss modifications here (e.g. I work 5 days a week 9-5, I have weekly dates with the partner every friday night, I got 3 team practices on Sun, Mon, Wed… etc.)

    Simple example of scheduling:
    Mon – SA
    Tue – ESD
    Wed – S&P + MQ
    Thu – ESD
    Fri – S&P + MQ
    Sat – SA + ESD
    Sun – Break

    I hope this is helpful and I encourage you to keep posting if you need more help.

    #4463
    Bugarshush
    Participant

    Hi Zi,

    Thanks so much for the response, I appreciate it! With 2 practices and one rest day, I’ll realistically be able to fully commit to 4 days of training a week.. As mentioned, I want to prioritize S&A and ESD, but totally understand I need to work on S&P and MQ as well. One thing I wasn’t clear on is that it’s okay to combine two programs into the same session. Does the following possible schedule seem reasonable/effective?

    Monday: Agility.One and Ladder.Zero
    Tuesday: Program.Zero and MQ
    Wednesday: Agility.One and 150 shuttle
    Thursday: Practice and MQ
    Friday: Agility.One and Goose cones
    Saturday: Practice and MQ
    Sunday: Rest

    One thing I’m still not clear on is how much can you space a program out? For example, is it okay to only do a single day of Program.Zero a week, thus prolonging the program? Is there a better way to work S&P into my regimen?

    Thanks again for any guidance!

    – Aaron

    #4464
    Zi
    Moderator

    Aaron,

    I read your original post again and you’re peaking in September.

    Key questions:
    1) Have you done any of the off-season programs?
    2) Club tryouts in September. Are you in-season now??? I would imagine clubs don’t have game practice so far ahead of tryouts…

    #4465
    Bugarshush
    Participant

    Hey Zi,

    To answer your questions,

    1) I haven’t done any of the MPFPT programs this off-season (as I just bought the subscription), but I have been lifting and running on my own.
    2) The USAU club series begins in September. Sectionals is September 8-9, so I’d like to peak in late September in advance of Regionals. We are in season now, practices have begun and our first tournament will likely be in June.

    Up until now my workouts have consisted of lifting, stairs, plyos, goose cones, 150 shuttles and mini, but with no real structure around the workouts.

    Thanks again for the help, the personal detail is great!

    – Aaron

    #4466
    Zi
    Moderator

    Hi Aaron,

    OK that gives better clarity. Reminder that we’re trying to add performance enhancement protocols so that you reduce risk of injuries.

    For S&P, do In-season.One. Your team practice, disc skills, and tournaments are priority. Among all the tournaments, the USAU club series is your main event spanning two months.

    MQ is always an important aspect at any stage but more so during in-season. In-Season.One has an extensive MQ routine prior to the lifts, and if you’re short of time, doing those with time and attention is better than powering through the entire program. That’s not to say the lifts are not important (think of it as a ‘Save’ button after going through the warmup and correctives).

    For ESD, it’s a toss up whether to do or not, jostling with Agility. I would advise finding a decent gap between tournaments. Hopefully you have something like 6 weeks before Sectionals and you can do one of our 6-week ESD programs. Reason is it is very easy to pick up overuse injuries in-season. I don’t know how your team runs practice either, because if your team loves grinding and drilling all the way (the old school style, if you will), that is already a lot of specific conditioning and stress. Otherwise, a team session something like skill/tactic drills that with adequate rest times between and a simple 20-30min scrimmage at the end shouldn’t burn you out, it is fine to slide some ESD work in your routine leading up to Sectionals.

    Agility component is a toss up (jostled with ESD) assuming you’ve been playing field sports for a few years now (you said “My pre-conditioning is pretty high”). Playing the game and reacting to players is the best agility training one can perform. The decision to add an agility program depends on how well you personally move and transition movement on the field, and this bucket is filled easily from team practice. I suggest doing Agility.One as a priority over an ESD program. Reason is doing an agility program allows you to check-in with your high speed movement quality which will feed MQ and Agility at the same time. Don’t smash at the exercises (you want to control how much impact stress in-season) but rather try to aim for fluidity in movement (control).

    Regardless of everything, taking time off a.k.a. RECOVERY is the most important rule. It is OK to not force yourself to do training. As much as you think you’re good-to-go or well conditioned, there is a fine line between gains and stagnation. I know we all want to get better ASAP but there is no point risking something like tendinitis from running too much too soon.

    In summary and TLDR:
    – Team Practice (2x/week)
    – In-Season.One (2x/week)
    – ??? Agility.One (3x/week)
    – ??? 6-week 150 Shuttle (2x/week) [leading up to Sectionals]

    Monday: Agility.One (+ESD July/Aug)
    Tuesday: In-Season.One
    Wednesday: Agility.One (+ESD July/Aug)
    Thursday: Practice
    Friday: Agility.One
    Saturday: Practice
    Sunday: In-Season.One

    If you can give detailed tournament calendar, I can suggest how to fit the Agility and ESD in your tournament gaps. Maybe you do one or the other, or both. Our beta program scheduler is more suited for off-season, so it isn’t the most helpful. Are you able to consider doing two training sessions in one day? AM+PM sessions with 4-6 hrs gap?

    P.S. MPFPT is aware scheduling our programs is not straightforward as we hoped for the little reasons I mentioned above. Your consultation and discussion with us helps us understand how to better improve our service in the future.

    #4480
    Bugarshush
    Participant

    Hi Zi,

    Thanks for the info! Makes sense re: not over-training; definitely want to make sure that I a) avoid injury, and b) don’t feel wiped out every day, which would limit the quality of my workout. To clarify some of your other questions:

    – I’ve been playing ultimate competitively for about 11 years, so my on-field movement is pretty good, but I think there is room from improvement and refinement; I’d like to move more efficiently, which will hopefully translate into speed and agility improvements.
    – Tournaments that we have scheduled before the series are July 21-22 and August 4-5 (with a possible tournament on August 18-19).
    – Our team practices are not overly intense: active warmup (plently of the MQ exercises in there), some skills work, strategic drills (end zone sets, pull-plays, etc), scrimmaging, and then a bit of conditioning at the end.
    – 2-a-day practices are not possible, unfortunately. I start work around 6:30am, so working out beforehand wouldn’t be sustainable.

    If you suggest holding off on ESD until July then I’ll wait!

    Thanks again, much appreciated!

    – Aaron

    #4486
    Zi
    Moderator

    That calendar is juicy. You’re in a good spot. 7 weeks till July tournament, 4 weeks (5 technically) between august tournamemt and Sectionals. 1 week out of sectionals please just drop all conditioning.

    You can do Agility.One, phase 1 & 2 for 3 weeks each. After August tournament, do phase 3 for 3 weeks.

    You can do a 12 week ESD program (i.e. 150 triangle + 10-cut). Do the first 7 weeks leading up to July tournament, then continue where you left off for another 3 or 4 weeks after your August tournament. It is ok to miss the final week, would have accrued ton of work already.
    Alternatively, do 6 weeks 150 shuttle today leading up to july/aug tournament, then roll back starting at week 3 of the program, performing the rest of it again for 4 weeks going into Sectionals.

    Between the July/August tournaments, keep the lifting going as usual, do more recovery type stuff. You can do a 130bpm walk/trek for 30-40 mins or do tempo runs at 60-70% intensity, low low volume. I like them walks/hikes πŸ˜‰

    1 week out, you can mish-mash some agility drills that will top it all off, like 2 sets of 2-3 drills is all you need. Maybe during team practice you all work on some reaction stuff. No esd work please, body needs to rebound from stress and peak! Lift in-season 2 sets, no training 2 days out.

    Eat well blanaced died, get as much sleep as possible. Get more work stuff done early to minimize mental stress.

    There’s some obvious hints here as to what you can do in between the USAU series over the two months, but might be a good idea to check in after August tournament to see how things have gone. Touch wood, you won’t have to change this plan halfway.

    #4489
    Bugarshush
    Participant

    Awesome, sounds rad! I did day one of the In-season.One KBDB this evening and it was great, looking forward to continuing that throughout the season. One question about that program though, on some circuits there was a column for E:I:C with a ratio of 0:0:0 or 0:1:0, what is that ratio for?

    I’ll let you know if I have any other questions, otherwise I’ll check in later in the summer. Thanks again for the help, stoked!

    – Aaron

    #4490
    Zi
    Moderator

    What does the E:I:C mean?
    Click this link, scroll down to your question.

    0:1:0 for rebound jump if you watch the video essentially just pull yourself into a good squat posture, and reactively attack the ground. It’s aggressive and high impact. take a bit of time for each rep.

    All the best, glad to help.

    #5159
    Jumble
    Participant

    Awesome inputs, looking forward to the guides on how to plan for a season. Thanks for sharing the conversation guys!

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