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  • #4283
    Adam Burgess
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    Hey all,

    I was wondering what your thoughts were about nutrition relative to the different phases of training. Specifically, during what phase of training, (hypertrophy, strength, foundations etc.) produces the largest anabolic response where it might be in my best interest to increase protein intake a little? Any other reccomendations about adding or reducing certain macros or micros during different phases of training? Or am I just totally off here?

    -Adam

    #4289
    Tim
    Keymaster

    Adam you are right on and its a tricky subject because it depends so much on your body type and what you response to.

    I was actually just talking to my friend Sofia, a lifestyle coach and nutritionist about this yesterday… I’ll send this to her in case she wants to chime in. She wrote the “food anthropologist” and is very insightful in this realm…

    One general idea to get this thread started…

    – during the hypertrophy phases or “high volume” phases where we intend to build “capacity” .. you’ll need more calories because you are doing more work. As you enter into the strength and conversion phases, sure you are still working hard…but the adaptations (at least in the gym) will be mostly neuromuscular and if we want to truly convert strength to power we need to realize that we shouldn’t be carrying excess weigh. So you’d likely be eating more during the hypertrophy phases and eating a bit less during the strength and conversion phases in order to be maximally strong yet as light as possible. Assuming the goal is to play explosive ultimate that is.

    A good example of being strong and light is this…

    #4304
    Morgan
    Participant

    So I was hoping to find one good post on this from somewhere I’ve read before that summarizes the general consensus I’ve seen but striking out so far so here’s a few things.

    If you eat like most people you should probably consume more protein all the time than you are now. A common recommendation for athletes or bodybuilders (or just people looking to improve physique) is 1g/lb of bodyweight. Maybe a little lower if you’re just looking to maintain weight but certainly during hypertrophy or fat loss phases you want protein intake to be quite high.

    You should always consume a moderate amount of fat, probably 20-30% of calories depending what your total intake and goals are. Fat isn’t bad per se but protein and carbs are generally the key macros for athletic performance. Which leads to…

    What you want to cycle is probably carbs. A recommendation I’ve seen from a few good sources is that a good plan generally is keeping your protein and fat intake relatively fixed (high and moderate, respectively) and increase or decrease carbs depending on activity and goal. Cut carbs if you’re trying to lose weight or if you’re not very active (if, say, during early off-season your only activity is lifting 3x a week). Increase carbs, maybe significantly, if you’re in season or training hard almost every day, and also if you’re in a hypertrophy phase. Some people find success using more fat as fuel but for athletes this is usually only endurance sports at best. Explosive sport athletes pretty much need lots of carbs to perform at a high level.

    Here’s an article from Outside magazine about how the US Olympic Training Center handles nutrition with their athletes and what they recommend: https://www.outsideonline.com/1914301/secret-food-athletes-inside-olympic-training-centers-nutrition-lab

    Here’s a pretty good overview of sports nutrition from the University of Colorado with a bit more of a focus on the science and research: https://extension.colostate.edu/topic-areas/nutrition-food-safety-health/nutrition-for-the-athlete-9-362/. Includes more detail and citations for the protein estimates.

    And for more practical application here’s a post/infographic from Precision Nutrition (slightly less focused on elite athletes but a good and reliable site) about how to build good meals: https://www.precisionnutrition.com/create-the-perfect-meal-infographic. Portion sizes are recommended through visual cues rather than numbers but I think implies a pretty high protein intake. Their clients tend to be primarily concerned about physique so the carb intake might be low for some training days.

    #4334
    Morgan
    Participant

    Examine.com just recently published an article on protein consumption recommendations. They’re a top notch resource for summaries of nutrition and supplement research. Short answer there for MPFPT athletes:

    If you’re of healthy weight, active, and wish to keep your weight, aim for 1.4–2.2 g/kg (0.64–1.00 g/lb). Try for the higher end of this range, as tolerated, especially if you’re an athlete.

    If you’re of healthy weight, active, and wish to build muscle, aim for 1.4–3.3 g/kg (0.64–1.50 g/lb). Eating more than 2.6 g/kg (1.18 g/lb) is probably not going to lead to greater muscle gains, but it can minimize fat gains when “bulking” — i.e., when eating above maintenance in order to gain (muscle) weight.

    If you’re of healthy weight, active, and wish to lose fat, aim for 2.2–3.3 g/kg (1.00-1.50 g/lb), skewing toward the higher end of this range as you become leaner or if you increase your caloric deficit (hypocaloric diet).

    1 g/lb is quite a bit and the recommendation goes up if you’re gaining muscle or losing fat so probably just consume more protein than you are. ????

    #4336
    Morgan
    Participant

    Wow that blockquote really jumps out, huh?

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