Playing weight, body fat %, etc.

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  • #3939
    Conor
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    I am a college player, and since I am fortunate enough to be studying abroad this fall, I have the opportunity to dedicate a couple months to strength & power training (with some speed & agility mixed in). I don’t have practices or tournaments to worry about, so I’m hitting the gym hard (just finished Program.One and am now starting Triphasic.One).

    So, in that vein, I have some broad questions about playing weight. The only info I’ve been able to find about it from you guys is that Goose said on Reddit that he’s 6’0″ and about 205 lbs. You guys at MP obviously put thought into everything, so what is the rationale behind that number? I’ve noticed that Goose, Bob, and even guys like Jonah Wisch in college are carrying more (lean) weight than most other players. This is a bit different than guys like Cassidy on Revolver, who does a lot of lifting as well, but I think is around 160 lbs (according to his twitter).

    I’m 5’11” and have bulked to about 173 lbs so far (I started the summer at 156). I was planning on getting to 180 before cutting to reduce my body fat %. But 180 is a pretty arbitrary number. Would love to hear your guys’ thoughts on ideal playing weight.

    #3940
    Morgan
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    Seems like you’re asking about muscle more than bodyfat? I’m not an elite player like some you mentioned but I feel like the basic philosophy is train your ass off for performance and eat enough to recover and your body will probably take care of things. So I don’t think most people are targeting a particular weight, but like if you look at olympic sprinters they tend to be pretty jacked. Lifting hard will build muscle over time if you eat properly but if you’re doing power work, agility, conditioning, practices, and tournaments, you probably won’t gain past the point where it actually starts slowing you down. Does that make sense?

    I could be wrong but I feel like I read a decent amount about athletic training and I see a lot of stuff about performance goals but not much about specific weight or muscle mass goals (weight goals aside from leaning out to a target bodyfat% or whatever but again I don’t think that’s what you’re asking).

    #3942
    Conor
    Participant

    Yeah I’m assuming that every athlete tries to get down to 12-14% body fat or less. I figure that’s pretty standard.

    So yes, I’m really asking about muscle mass. My assumption is that the MP guys in particular think through everything training related, so there has to be a reason that Goose, Bob, and Tim have more muscle mass than your average ultimate player. I’m guessing they are intentional about that. Although muscle growth is eventually necessary to continue getting stronger, it is possible to be very strong without being very heavy. So why do they choose to be the weight that they are?

    Personally, I think I eat such that my body can recover and I am making performance improvements. So since I’ve got that down, I’d like to be intentional about my muscle mass and weight as well.

    #3943
    Zi
    Moderator

    Conor,

    There is one thing to remember when talking about body composition for athletes: It is individual.

    If we look at the angle of performance and specifically raw power production, we need to balance how many watts of power being produced per bodyweight. Less mass to move with higher power output means higher acceleration. However, there’s just too many other factors when it comes to measuring on-field performance. We’re not competing in Olympic Weightlifting or Sprinting specifically. So, it’s not arbitrary in the grand scheme of things.

    Then, with the one thing I mentioned first above, you cannot control or know what your ideal weight for Ultimate is. You said it yourself, 180 lbs. is just too absolute and differs from one person to another. Now, you mentioned doing a “cutting” period to shave body fat off. That’s pretty much the best you can do. You don’t want extra useless baggage to carry around on the field. You’re on the right track anyway, looking at the various pieces of your athleticism and just seeing/feeling how they improve while maintaining a reasonable diet.

    However, I must stress to keep it simple and don’t go hard at it. Eat all your macros as usual and only eat fresh whole foods and no chocolate, processed meats, ice cream and all the extra stuff (once a while is totally fine). Don’t cut off huge portions of your meals suddenly, do it just a little maybe 5% every 2-3 weeks. It’s all about doing a healthy long haul. The way our society has been brought up in the last few decades has revolved around fads and imaginary ideals, which is why I’m emphasising this point whether you know it or not.

    #3945
    Conor
    Participant

    Thanks for the advice! I’m definitely tracking my macros and trying to eat as healthy as possible. My approach to bulking has been to go slow and steady, and I definitely plan on taking the same approach to cutting.

    Once I start playing again in the spring, I’ll see how the new weight feels and adjust based on that.

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