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  • #4448
    Tyson Hart
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    MPFPT,

    Cool to see you’re taking the site to a new level, congrats! First, thanks for all the programming, videos and help throughout the past couple of years. I had tryouts last weekend and made the team! My new teammates commented on my overall athleticism and motor, which is a testament to following all of your training modules.

    With six weeks out until Regionals in Aurora, CO, I’d like your advice on programming and some rehab. In the last two years I’ve completed Program 0, 1, and Triphasic 1 twice, with conditioning and speed work thrown in before tournaments. Most recently, I peaked for tryouts last weekend by finishing up Triphasic 1 and reducing my lifting days from three to two, 8 weeks out. My 8 weeks leading up were: 1) Speed Workout + Sprint Intervals, 2) Lift Triphasic Phase 4, 3) Practice, 4) Tempo Run or HICT, 5) Practice, 6) Lift Triphasic Phase 4, and 7) Rest.

    The program worked well, but two weeks before tryouts I strained a muscle in my lower-left back, my right hamstring tightened up, and my left knee feels tight again (I tore my meniscus 2.5 years ago, rehabbed successfully and have had no issues since). I chalked it up to nerves, but rested as much as I could while trying to maintain my fitness. So, leading up to Regionals, and hopefully Nationals, how should I approach training and getting my body whole again? Lastly, the college kids in my town have vacated for the summer, so I won’t have practices to attend as regularly. What workouts would you suggest for replacements on those days?

    -Tyson

    #4449
    Zi
    Moderator

    Tyson,

    There’s a few things to tackle here so I’ll try my best. Also, I’ll respond to you as a case study because I’ll have to make assumptions. OK…

    1) I had tryouts last weekend and made the team!

    AWESOME! <3

    2) …strained a muscle in my lower-left back, my right hamstring tightened up, and my left knee feels tight… So, leading up to Regionals, and hopefully Nationals, how should I approach training and getting my body whole again?

    When things like this happen, the chain link is weak/broken. Focus on fixing the link because tugging on the chain no matter how much load there is will hamper the healing. All your three pain sites are very likely due to poor motor patterning (right handed thrower? handler/cutter?) which is inherent to Ultimate. It is possible the combination of high intensity off-field training and 2x practice per week exacerbated the issue (a bit more on this below).

    Don’t worry about losing gains because you won’t!

    Dial back the field work. It is often stressful on a broken chain. At most, static throwing with a partner.
    Prioritize the MQ sphere by doing things like the warm-up of any of the S&P programs. These activations, mobilisations, foam rolling, etc. when done with a lot of attention to detail can reveal what is really wrong and reset. The key is detail, time (no rushing!) and reps.
    In order to maintain your strength, a program like P0 or In-season.One (remove explosive stuff and replace with rehab) is excellent. At most all you gotta do is regular split squat, 1-arm SLDL, DB bench/push up, Row/Chin Up. But these weighted stuff needs to be back stage and its ok not to push through.
    Tempo runs at maybe 60-70% should be fine. Keeping it fairly low intensity reduces some risk that we hammer on your strains. If you can do it on grass, you’re gold. It’s not about pushing, it’s about “surviving” through this stage.

    Doesn’t sound like anything is broken yet, so let’s not take your body there. I don’t think you need specific rehab protocols. The goal is Regionals, yeah?

    3) I peaked for tryouts last weekend by finishing up Triphasic 1 and reducing my lifting days from three to two, 8 weeks out. My 8 weeks leading up were: 1) Speed Workout + Sprint Intervals, 2) Lift Triphasic Phase 4, 3) Practice, 4) Tempo Run or HICT, 5) Practice, 6) Lift Triphasic Phase 4, and 7) Rest.

    The big S&P programs (i.e. P1, P2, Triphasic) are off-season programs. They gotta be done as far long away from an increase in sport activity, usually the moment any field practice starts. This includes Phase 4 of triphasic. Recommend it be done before your first Ultimate practice leading up to the season. By that time, your speed and agility becomes a priority as you build to tryouts. Lifting can be a very simple program like In-Season.One. Since you won’t be too burned by the lifting program, you can also start increasing your energy systems activity.

    Essentially it will look like at least 2 sessions in the weight room environment and at least 2 sessions of tempo run/cardiac output mixed with a little throwing cause in-season. Recovery is just as important so have lots more of it. You should be feeling “ready” most of the time, not lethargic, laying a little low hoping we can pounce at Regionals.

    Something that I’ve been told many times by other coaches:
    Programs are not one size fits all. How you mix and match your activities throughout the season is very contextual.

    Anyway, I hope my advice helps, please don’t hesitate to keep communicating so we can help you get the best out of your season!

    #4451
    Tyson Hart
    Participant

    Zi,

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply. As soon as every feel any strains, I always go back to foam rolling, 4-way stretching, and warm-up activities. You’re right, they help immensely in recuperation. I was checking in to make sure I shouldn’t be focusing efforts on anything more specific.

    Workout wise, you’re suggesting I taper to 4 days a week? Two lifting and two conditioning? I’m used to going 6 days while carefully watching my heart rate variability to make sure I’m recovering enough. If I’m exceptionally low or don’t feel right, I back off on intensity or take a rest day.

    Also, it didn’t happen often, but occasionally on long “hell” points I got gassed. In watching your interview with Tim, y’all talked about doing aerobic plyos to combat getting gassed. I’ve also taken your suggestion from another post and read Joel Jamieson’s work, which is where I adopted the HICT and tempo runs/rides (sometimes on airdyne for lower impact). So, I’d be interested in your thoughts on the best way to increase my threshold in the coming weeks. I really enjoy reading, listening, and learning, so the more in depth, the better!

    -Tyson

    #4452
    Zi
    Moderator

    Tyson,

      Re: Tapering Training Volume

    It was a conservative recommendation and based on an average individual. Most people work very well with 4 focused sessions outside of team practice, alternating between “High” or “Low” intensity through the week. In terms of HR data, High Intensity pertains to big power output <10sec with full recovery, while Low Intensity is more toward Tempo runs/aerobic work with avg-HR<AnT (ANaerobic Threshold). I categorise team practice as High Intensity days as it is chaotic and has no specificity in terms of physiological development.

    As an example, you got two lifting days which will focus on raw power output. Then you got 2 conditioning days of high intensity i.e. HICT, Speed development, Agility. Top that off with 2 team practices which can be considered as high intensity conditioning as well. That’s six sessions in the week.

    Also, it is not uncommon for athletes to think doing more is better. The need for more training volume is largely influenced by training age, historical training effectiveness, everyday stress (mental and physical), and genetics; all of which obviously I don’t know much of about you to give accurate advice! As a saying goes, training should make you feel better and perhaps that might be a good way of gauging your training volume going forward. Granted, I’ve seen many athletes here in Australia who lift 2 days a week, and just play lots and still win titles. Jealous much? Haha!

      Re: Energy Systems Development

    I was in the early stages of working on those specific ESD methods, so take it with a grain of salt. Understand first that the methods in JJ’s book are many, not described very well, and based strongly on the theory of how the ESD system works. The biggest takeaway from that book is that the aerobic system is our base of any power output.

    Is your question referring to increasing your anaerobic threshold? Have you done a 12min Coopers Test? That will pretty much tell you whether you need threshold training even at all.

    HICT in the form of resisted/loaded full body exercises are good forms of High Intensity. Heavy sled pushes, bike sprints, KB squat jumps are good examples. However, you must consider your current injuries and select an appropriate form of movement. I think a heavy sled push should be fine. It should not be powerlifting grindy nor should it be sprinting breezy.

    The aerobic plyos I mentioned in the interview was geared towards off-season conditioning where I worked on tendon compliance while keeping HR<AnT. A much better version thinking back would be tempo running at lowest intensity and volume accordingly. Just right now, while writing this, it’s starting to sound like tempo running could be a staple! I can’t fault it because it’s a pattern we use 90% of the time on the field and we can change the volume easily.

    The 10-cut a.k.a. Goose Cones, 150 shuttles in the ESD program page are best suited to event peaking and if you don’t have as many practice sessions a week (if you only have 1 practice I guess). The best conditioning is really to play the sport.

    P.S. Is this detail something you like? Some people like very scientific details and jargon which I am pretty bad at. I tend to form my own layman’s explanation of all the self-studying I’ve done.

    #4453
    Zi
    Moderator

    Might I add…

    HR monitoring is one of many indicators of performance. You also gotta realise it is a lagging indicator, meaning by the time it shows data that is good/bad news, it has already started happening. As much as all the marketing and science says about HRV and HR monitoring, it is afterall just one indicator of a very complex system.

    Just in case you were solely monitoring by HRV. No different than measuring lifting performance solely on lbs. lifted.

    As per Joel’s book, one method should be performed roughly 3-6 weeks with very very careful attention to changes in volume and intensity. As well as exercise selection of each method depending on whether you have built up to handle it or not. Just because it’s a new way and makes sense, proceed with caution.

    #4454
    Tyson Hart
    Participant

    Re: Tapering Training Volume

    It was a conservative recommendation…
    Agreed, that’s what I’ve been doing. Two practices (High), two lifting sessions(Low), and two energy systems days(1 High/1 Low). During the offseason when I was lifting 3 days/week, and especially during the eccentric phases, I noticed it was too much and had to back off my intensity at practice a bit. And yes, when in college I just played 4-5 days a week and did fine! But, getting older requires training smarter and fixing all the problems I’ve developed over the last 18 years!

    Re: Energy Systems Development

    I was in the early stages…
    I’m glad you felt that way about the book as well! I was worried I was ‘missing’ something because of the overall vagueness.

    Have you done a 12min Cooper’s…
    I’ve not performed a Cooper’s test yet, my only basis for needing threshold development was getting gassed during a few points.

    HICT in the form…
    I’ve refrained from HICT because, as you mentioned, my injuries don’t work well with them. I was doing steps ups in combo with weighted squat jumps.

    The aerobic plyos…
    Gotcha, it does sound like tempo rides/runs will be the way I’m headed.

    The 10-cut a.k.a. Goose Cones…
    Yeah, all college kids have left, and the master’s team I’m on won’t have any practices because we’re all scattered across Texas and have kids/families/jobs/little time. So, it sounds like you’re suggesting I sub in speed work and Goose/Sprint Intervals. So, for final clarification:

    2 days x In Season One (completed first set last night)
    2 days Tempo Run (or HICT if knee/hamstring/back recover nicely)
    2 days Speed + 10 cuts/Sprints

    *All of this would be a reduction in load from my regular training and it assumes I’ve recovered well from the previous days training.

    P.S. Is this detail something you like?
    Yeah, this is awesome. The more detailed and specific, the less assumptions and confusions can be made! Thanks again Zi!

    #4456
    Zi
    Moderator

    Tyson,

    2x lift
    2x tempo
    2x field drills – This one I’m a bit iffy only cause you currently have strains. Maybe focus on making good mechanics rather than having to complete reps/volume. Once you’re consistently better, push it. Maybe for a couple weeks????

    Threshold HR, as per MMA Conditioning book, is one of the particularly hard ones to budge. It’s probably easier to work on recovery from high intensity bouts via interval training. Reduce recovery window as a stress variable. Man, an airbike will be so “awesome”! Your average HR during the entire session must be below Anaerobic threshold which you could easily find out with a coopers test. Too much overall exposure above AnT will push your body to be too dependent on anaerobic energy systems which is not what you want.

    Notice I don’t say your body will use either Alactic, lactic, or aerobic. You use everything at once but what piece do you want to emphasize? 🙂

    I wish you fast recovery, and keep us posted <3

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